I did really like the layered aspect of Elsa’s power ballad, what with how she makes it seem like it’s about taking control of her life and following her heart, when what she's really doing is throwing away her responsibility, surrendering herself to her fears, and shutting out the people who can actually help her control them for a better purpose… I felt for her when she realized she couldn’t “be free”, because when we have problems it can seem like the easiest solution is to shed obligations and do what feels comfortable to us without caring what others think, but all we’re really doing is avoiding the issue because we’re afraid to face ourselves.
...I have really mixed feelings about this movie. I wanted badly to love it, and I really liked its themes and particularly what Elsa's character represented, and the snow effects and costumes were very pretty... but I wasn't a fan of some of the storytelling decisions and I walked out of the theater not wanting to rewatch it. Yet I find Elsa's character potentially very compelling and only wish she'd gotten more focus and development...
I mean, I rode the hype wave while understanding the movie's flaws. It was quite a liberating experience until people started actively trying to persuade me to dislike the movie, which started to sour me on both sides of the issue. The mixed reactions have been fascinating to me because I think they represent perfectly the dissonance we have created between how logic and emotion play into how we regard media. I think that Frozen struck a chord with a lot of people for reasons you and others have brought up about Elsa's character— and no, you're not overthinking it or seeing things that aren't there. It's implicit, and I think with modern moviegoers' tendency to need everything explained and logically laid out in a neat line, that took people off guard. In terms of craft, it was messy and not as well-made as a good handful of Disney films before it, but the craft wasn't what stuck with people. And that's okay. It apparently communicated something effectively, which is why I think it's probably better in its execution than it may seem from a surface level (ie. plot beats and pacing and the like), but for reasons we may not have the vocabulary to address as critics yet.
I don't know if there's a dissonance between logic and emotion in how we regard media so much as we expect both to satisfied in equal amounts--we expect the technical craft to support and convey the emotional content, and for the emotional content to give meaning to the craft. So yes, people get confused when they find themselves emotionally drawn to something that they don't know how to logically justify liking, just as they may get an empty feeling from work that's technically beautiful but has little emotional content; it's natural for such an imbalance to cause confusion and questioning of the work's overall merit, but certainly it still has merit to have inspired so many heartfelt reactions. I think you described exactly why Frozen resonates despite its shortcomings, and I agree that Elsa's portrayal was successful in what it communicated on an emotional level... The more I think about it, the more I do think her portrayal was consistent throughout, and I just wish she'd had more screentime.
I actually thought the movie was too heavy-handed in most of its explanations and messages (Hans's villain monologue, the repeated talk about true love and trying so hard to make us think it'd be Kristoff that I expected it to be someone else), but then there were the subtle but strikingly recognizable implications of Elsa's character that drew me back to it. I think what I really wanted was to see more of that, more scenes like Elsa's anxiety attack alone in the ice palace and fewer jokes about the snowman getting impaled or not having a brain. But perhaps it wouldn't have been so popular without the surface coating to mask the deeper themes. It definitely did communicate something effectively with Elsa, and deserves credit for portraying a character not often seen in children's movies.
(Also, I'm sorry people tried to convince you to dislike the movie. That kind of pressure to change your opinion just puts people off of things altogether. I was seeing a lot of bashing on the movie before it came out and shaming of people who wanted to see it on the basis of the character designs, which made me not want to talk about it at all prior to release. I was actually thrilled when it turned out to be such a success in spite of expectations, but felt a little left out about not being as excited about it as others were. I still really enjoy hearing people talk about what the movie meant to them, or about little kids loving it.)
Ah, I sort of agree. I did, in fact, enjoy the movie as I progressed. (Since I do enjoy Disney movies overall and many people are always excited before watching a movie). But when I analyzed the movie after I watched it, I thought "It was a good movie, but it's definitely not the best Disney movie ever." I loved the messages, but I felt the movie was too rushed, and the story was all over the place, And, I really like the texture to your drawing. It's refreshing to look at because the snow isn't everywhere and shiny.
Thank you, I'm glad you like the texture in it! I wanted it to have a bit of a graphic storybookish look.
I probably would have enjoyed it a lot more if I had walked in not expecting anything, but because I loved Disney's last two 3D movies, I had really high expectations and that made it harder for me to focus on the positive things about the show. I'm highly engaged with the scenes with Elsa (watching all those ice structures lit up red and gold in her palace while she struggles against her inner demons, gorgeous), but I just wish she'd been more developed.
Always found it telling how after years of being locked up she runs away from her home and her obligations, proclaims herself free and promptly locks herself up again. I really wish someone had called her out on it.
You're not the only one who really wanted to like this movie but just couldn't. It was really front-loaded with songs, had awkward pacing as a result and all the characters were under-developed at best and barely there at worst (Hi, late queen of Arendelle).
That would have been a very interesting scene. I suppose in her mind, her problem was that she had all these people expecting things of her despite her issues that interfered with fulfilling those expectations, so removing the people and the connected expectations would allow her to live in freedom or at least without feeling so much pressure... even if her situation hadn't actually improved.
I'm so glad I wasn't the only person who was unsure of what to think of Frozen. It was so popular, and so many people loved it so much...but after seeing it I was really underwhelmed. It was a gorgeous movie, if you were to look only at the 3D models and the amazing lighting/rendering, but story-wise it was lacking. No, not quite lacking--but not as strong as it could have been. Mostly I had issues with the character story arcs--Anna, Sven, Cristof, Olaf, even Prince what's-his-face (Anna's "boyfriend") were very well developed characters. However, the entire story revolved around Elsa--and I never really got a good idea of her character because not a lot of time was spent showing the audience who she was, other than "she's afraid of everything and then she isn't". Also, when Elsa learned how to control her magic with love...well, it just didn't work for me; it was too quick. Anna just spent almost an hour of the movie figuring out what love is, and then Elsa only needs half a second to not only understand love, but use it to control her powers? I don't know...the movie could have benefited greatly if an additional five or ten minutes had been added--a few to develop Elsa's character and a few having her talk herself through the idea of controlling her magic with love.
I never really looked at the lyrics to "Let it Go" until this image and your thoughts on the song. But looking at them now...you really do have a point. Thanks for sharing this analysis, it was very interesting.
I'm glad I'm not the only one, as well. It's so popular that I usually keep quiet about it because when people argue its merits, I can see why it's meaningful to them and most of my issues are technical qualms about the storytelling that are of course subjective... and I genuinely did like what they were going for. I just thought the storytelling was very scattered, and the characters... well, honestly I didn't think any of them were that well-developed--Hans's "arc" was that... he turns out to be evil, with practically no hint beforehand; Kristoff's was, I guess, that he learns to actually like a person, but I felt the romance between him and Anna was forced (especially with things like the trolls' song, which I cringed through); Anna and Elsa were the most compelling characters and ostensibly what the movie was supposed to be about, but because of all the distractions with the romance subplot and the trolls and Olaf and the Duke of Wesselton, my impression of them was confused (until I started using my imagination and others' interpretations to round out their characters a bit) and I was disappointed with how little I saw of their relationship.
While watching, I really wished that the entire romance subplot (with Kristoff, at least; Hans was useful for Anna's character development) had been removed and that time had been devoted to developing Elsa and Anna's relationship and seeing it in different stages (rather than just, Elsa is never there and Anna is doing everything for her and they barely interact till the end). I also was confused by Elsa's character on the first viewing and only made sense of it after I began to project onto her and figure out how her inner conflicts might drive her sometimes contradictory-seeming behavior (such as her apparent newfound confidence in Let It Go overwhelming her previously withdrawn personality, only for her doubts to return almost immediately). I feel like she had the potential to be an excellently nuanced character--and perhaps she is--but it wasn't shown very clearly and I never sensed that I knew how she felt about leaving Anna or the pressures of being queen or anything other than feeling trapped by her powers. I find I like the idea of her (and interpreting her as an avatar for hidden troubles) more than how she was actually represented onscreen. It's frustrating because I do like the idea of her a lot.
The true-love climax was quick, yeah, and felt shallow to me because I hadn't gotten a good sense of how Elsa felt towards Anna before then. I was surprised the "twist" blindsided so many people, because I recall that by the time they were repeating the words "true love" all over the place (and trying to set Kristoff up to look like he'd be the one), I was sitting there thinking, "Please, it HAS to be Elsa who saves her, those two are what this movie was supposed to be about and instead this script has been running all over the place with trolls and Olaf and these two love interests and it's all felt so unconnected that the very LEAST you can do at this point is actually have Elsa and Anna's true love be what comes out on top." So when it happened my reaction was pretty much just relief rather than surprise or joy.
And thanks for taking the time to look at my mini-analysis, I'm glad you found it interesting! I do tend to see Elsa as representative of personal issues and anxieties or true feelings that we're afraid to show for fear that people will reject or not understand us, and when I see her that way, I like her a lot. I just wish her role had been clearer in the actual movie... but maybe it's a good thing that the song is so open to interpretation, as every fan seems to have found their own meaning in it.
I have to agree that the romance between Kristoff and Anna was rather forced. It must be a rule at Disney that any female lead must also have romance in her story arc. I think Kristoff and Anna would have worked better if they were just friends. And let's just not speak of the trolls...unless it's of the old elder troll (who was tolerable). It would have been really nice to see more of Elsa and Anna's sistership, especially since relationships of this type are so rare, especially in movies like Frozen.
When I think in retrospect, I probably do need to see the movie at least one more time. First impressions tend to hide smaller things, such as the potential nuances of Elsa's character. And when you put things as you have, then Elsa does suddenly becoming a far more interesting and deep character...if only in the abstract (or "the idea of her" as you said).
I will say that you had more hope and faith than I did when the climax rolled around. I was almost expecting the whole "true love cure" to be Kristoff-Anna-oriented. After all, that's the proven formula for a Disney romance. When it was Anna's act of love for Elsa that cured her, I wasn't exactly surprised, more "oh, hey look at that...so THAT'S why those two are the poster characters for this movie...'bout time the formula was changed". And ultimately I was glad that it was Elsa and Anna's love that overcame the conflict, because it was a step towards devolping their relationship and illustrating it to the audience. Unfortunately, it was one of few such sisterhood developments, and essentially the last before the movie ended. So, too little too late for me.
And no problem! I really love reading/listening to how other people interpreted/analysed something. That level of critical thinking doesn't appear too often, and whenever it does, it practically calls for an in-depth discussion. Not to mention, it also gave me an entirely new perspective on the movie/Elsa, one that I had lost in my initial disappointment.
I'm usually willing to suspend disbelief and accept Disney's romances (and thought it was actually developed well in Tangled despite the protagonists having just met), but because this movie was deliberately trying to put aside that cliche, the romance felt particularly out of place to me. (And forgive me for speaking of them, but what kind of message were the trolls trying to send when they treated Anna's engagement as a problem to be "fixed" by getting her together with Kristoff?! Sure, her engagement turned out to be a farce, but the trolls couldn't have known that and still disregarded her would-be commitment.) I've seen cut scenes from Frozen that portray more sisterly interactions between them and wish they'd been in the movie, even though I understand the point was that they were so distanced from each other.
I actually saw it again because of this discussion and have found that I really love every scene with Elsa in it (which was, actually, my feeling in the theater too but I had been expecting her to be developed more so I was left confused and disappointed that she wasn't in more scenes). Her body language and facial expressions really convey the sense of someone struggling with anxiety; I think it's very well-captured, and it's fascinating not to mention beautiful how the lighting in the palace reflects her mood--the ice gets lit up all red when she's panicking about having unleashed eternal winter, and an otherworldly gold when she's fighting off Hans's soldiers. I actually love how she's portrayed; it just frustrates me immensely that the movie isn't entirely about her. (My reaction to everything else in the movie was mostly the same as the first time I saw it, although I did realize it had more story structure than I gave it credit for at first. It just... got too bogged down in Olaf and Sven jokes to give the main characters the depth I expected. And this despite the fact that I thought they handled a four-character main cast extremely well in Wreck-It Ralph; I sympathized with and felt I understood and appreciated all of their distinct personalities in that movie, even though their screentime was divided.)
Heh, I admit I was worried they would go that route, hence my sitting there wishing "Please, please don't do this!" But it seemed like the movie was trying to overturn the old true love cliche (because of the entire Hans arc) so I thought there was a decent chance they wouldn't, though things like the trolls' song made me worry. (I also thought Olaf might be the one to save her, after the scene in front of the fire.) And, I agree it was too little too late. But at least it gets the message about familial love across to kids; I'm glad it was there at all.
So do I, thanks for having this conversation with me! I'm glad I could offer a new perspective on it.
You're forgiven for speaking of the trolls. What you brought up is one of the issues I had about them as I was listening to the song/watching this scene. Not to mention, Anna was sort of dying and they just...what? Didn't notice that? Also, the whole mentality that you can "fix" the other person in a relationship is so...mentally unhealthy. I had a psychology class where the teacher noted that people who go into a relationship hoping to change the other person instead of accepting and loving that person as they are end up very unhappy with the relationship. So yeah...trolls don't have a lot of good messages for viewers, especially not the young ones. On a side note, I'll now have to go and search for these cut scenes. I agree that the movie needed more Elsa in it, because she had so much potential and, as you noted, the movie was about her (in theory).
And your welcome--and thank you for the conversation!
Yes. Thank you for mentioning that. Any relationship where one or both parties expect to be able to change the other is bound to end up with both parties unhappy, unsatisfied, and/or feeling guilty or inferior.
I've heard it said that the song has a positive message about understanding that everyone has flaws and everyone makes bad choices sometimes but they can still be good people. I suppose this comes from the stanza "People make bad choices if they're mad/Or scared or stressed/Throw a little love their way/And you'll bring out their best". I still think this has unhealthy connotations, because if it turns out that "a little love" isn't enough to make the person stop making bad choices, guess who's going to feel like they're to blame?
They did have the line "We're not sayin' you can change him/'Cause people don't really change" which I appreciated but felt it was overwhelmed and contradicted by everything else in the song. And yeah... in general, the song was just highly inappropriate for that moment in the film. It also makes it seem like it's okay or even cute to pressure people to get together romantically (and implies that if they protest, they're just denying or haven't realized their feelings), which is a behavior I find highly obnoxious.
......Though this is coming from someone who draws fluff of non-canon pairings so it may be hypocritical.
The song is certainly...contradictory. And when coupled with the scene it's even more so. And pressuring people to get together isn't exactly a good message either. Although I think there's a difference between your drawing non-canon paring fluff and the trolls almost-forcing Anna and Kristoff to marry. I mean...it's not like drawing fluff will suddenly make the paring canon, although it might alter other fans' views on the pairing.
Heh, well, thank you. On the other hand it seems like drawing non-canon ship art is an even more invasive form of that; I mean, I'm basically creating a universe where the characters are together whether they'd actually like it or not. ...I have always had huge issues about shipping, actually, because I don't feel like I fit in with the people who obsess over it nor with non-shippers... I also have a tendency to hang around people who have little to no interest in romance if they're not made outright uncomfortable by it, and I used to feel like I was offending, annoying, or imposing on them whenever I drew any (as well as being a bit of a traitor because I'm of a similar disposition usually, but for some reason in a fictional context I just think it's cute to see characters together). To this day it frustrates me as I generally try not to ship things... to limited avail lol, fanart is a terrible influence. I try to make the relationships look more mutually supportive/comfortable and not be about the characters being physically close or looking attractive, but fluff is still fluff.
I love your analysis of "Let it Go"... I never really thought of it that way before and looking at the lyrics now, I can see what you mean The calmness of this picture is beautiful, I like how she's facing towards the darkness and the snow behind her, in the light, seems very powerful, almost as if it's lighting up the scene. It's a gorgeous display of her powers And it seems quite a lonely picture as well, certainly reflecting the scene on the mountaintop~ Aaah you've got me analysing everything now >w< Personally I adored the movie just because of Olaf! (Yes, I'm that shallow). I felt that Frozen was a little more serious than more recent Disney fare, but the humour Olaf provided was just...awesome I'd love to see him back again, if only in a cameo role x3
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the small analysis! I have to thank you for all the detailed comments you leave me; I really appreciate your taking the time to write out such long and thoughtful messages, they always make me smile. I'm glad I could share my way of viewing the song; I always really enjoy hearing how others interpret it.
I'm glad you mentioned her facing towards the darkness. It's meant to represent how she tries not to acknowledge her powers, to turn a blind eye to them and hide them away--the gloved hand clutched to her chest is trying to restrain them, while her free hand causes them to rise up uncontrolled behind her back. She's trying to pretend the wave of snow isn't there, but it's about to overwhelm her.
I'm glad you find the picture has a calming and lonely atmosphere--I feel it's the calm before the storm, as she's trying to keep everything under control before things well over. I enjoyed your analysis, thank you for sharing!
Aw, I'm really glad you enjoyed the movie! There are definitely things I like mostly because of certain characters as well, or because of the art, haha. *cough*FFXIII*cough* Though I actually loved both the last two 3D Disney movies before this one and thought they had pretty serious themes too.
Aw, you're welcome I see a lot in your art, I love the hidden messages and subtleties in your pictures And your reply is exactly what I mean! I never even thought of that... I have to respect you for putting so much thought into what you do
I feel you on wanting to like the movie but just being unable to. I think the writers must have all been fighting for what just had to be in the movie. There were at least 4 different plot lines and not a single one got the proper amount of time. If they had just cut out all the extra it could have been such a good movie.
This is exactly how I felt, thank you. There was a complete lack of focus and I felt cheated by how little attention Anna and Elsa's relationship got compared to the forced romance subplot with Kristoff and the odd "humorous" moments with Olaf and throwaway characters like the Duke of Wesselton. But it had such good themes and ideas under everything they buried it in, and when I see people enjoying it so much and how meaningful they find it... I just wish I'd been able to see it the same way. I do find that seeing people's analysis and interpretation of Elsa and Anna makes me enjoy them a lot more as characters and helps me to fill in what wasn't there in the movie, though. (Also, I like hearing about little kids getting really excited about it.)
I keep saying the movie was really a Dreamworks movie that was trying to be Disney. Don't have quality writers for the music? Hire Broadway people, sounds like something Dreamworks would do. Have dumb characters that add absolutely nothing to the plot and are just there for dumb jokes? Classic Dreamworks. Poke fun at Disney by making the prince a bad guy? Dreamworks has done that with Shrek in a sense, I could see them doing this. Oddly self aware of being part of a fairy tale type story? Again, classic Dreamworks. Aside from Enchanted there hasn't been a recent (1980 and up) Disney movie that was this self aware. All the talk about an act of true love and blah blah, waaay to self aware. Enchanted did that but it was also Disney making fun of itself.
Now, some may claim that is insulting to Dreamworks but all the quality Dreamworks movies (HTTYD, Guardians, even the first Shrek) have all had high ranking staff that previously worked at Disney. I highly doubt that is a coincidence.
No, the movie would have been better if they focused on Anna and Elsa, cut out everyone else and have the "bad guy" be Elsa's lack of control or if they needed a bad guy where is the evil uncle? Where is the person who was regent while Elsa was too young to be queen? Really, someone what was used to power and didn't want to give it up, that would have been perfect. I would have even taken them being the cause of Elsa being out of control.
(On second thought I should probably take back what I said about there being a complete lack of focus. There was a focus on Anna's journey to save Elsa, but I thought the interactions with Kristoff and the trolls and Olaf distracted from her potential interaction with her sister. Then again I realize that the separation of Elsa and Anna was the whole idea, so... At a certain point I don't feel like there's anything I can say other than that I wished Elsa and Anna had gotten more screentime, and Olaf/Sven/Kristoff/the trolls had gotten less, but that would have been an entirely different movie.)
With the obligatory disclaimer that I really like certain Dreamworks movies, I didn't actually get a Dreamworks vibe from Frozen, though I did get the sense they were trying to economize by reusing assets from Tangled. (And there are Disney musicals on Broadway, so it's not as though they've never been involved with talent there... I also happen to like several Broadway musicals. ) Though the self-awareness did jar me in moments like when Kristoff picks up Olaf's hand and asks how it even works, as well as being hit over the head with the talk of true love by the end.
I would have loved it if Elsa's fears had been the "bad guy" they had to overcome (or if the villain had been more related to her journey to self-acceptance), but the way the movie played out, I didn't think her psychological issues or relationship with Anna were ever really explored and I suppose that's what left me feeling "meh" about it.
A focus on a journey is not a bad thing but in this case nothing really happened on the journey. They walked through snow a lot. Tangled was about the journey to the kingdom but Rapunzel and Flynn had meaningful interactions though out that journey. Since this movie was suppose to be about Anna saving Elsa it should have had them interacting more. Instead it felt like little to nothing changed between them and Elsa accepted her powers much to easily simply because her sister did not fear them. Anna didn't fear them before so I found the change back to childhood very much a cop-out.
Sorry, that statement came out a bit wrong. There are some great Dreamworks movies but the formula works different between the two. In Dreamworks movies sidekick characters are more about making the kids laugh then about having a real focus in the movie. They usually only have one or two moments when they are necessary to the main character. In Disney movies they are there to be a counter point to the main character, help them out many times though the journey as well as adding comedy. Olaf took a much more Dreamworks sidekick approach then an Disney one. I also found his character design to be more something I would expect from Dreamworks then Disney but Dreamworks would have had more comedy based on how he looked then was present in Frozen.
Broadway does have good music and Disney does turn many of their movies into Broadways musicals but it has never worked the other way around. Disney writes the music for the movie with people that work on musical movies. Then when it has reacted that level of success where they want it to be on Broadway they edit, rewrite, and add the movie music to be more Broadway friendly. There are no Broadway people working on the music in the movie stages. In this case there were and you can hear the Broadway influences in many, many places. It isn't exactly a bad thing but it isn't standard to Disney. I cannot comprehend why they decided to go this route. To me it seems like something a movie company that has never made a musical before would do. If you don't already have any quality musical staff then hire some from Broadway is a logical move. But where did Disney's movie musical staff go?
No, they were never explored the movie was pretty much Anna gets hurt by Elsa's powers accidentally, Parents go crazy and teach Elsa the wrong thing, Parents die and Elsa goes truly out of control, since Parents are gone Anna can tell her sister (again!) that she likes her snow powers and they return to childhood level of closeness. Really, if the parents had acted differently then the movie would have never happened. Clearly Frozen was really a movie on bad parenting
Can't say I've seen it yet, but I have seen and rather quite enjoyed "The Snow Queen". Its an interesting take on the same story Frozen is based off of, and done about the same time (if not released a year earlier). It was made out of country, and what appears to have been the beginnings of an English re-animation, ended up as a dub (though for a few scenes right at the climax, the mouths actually match up with the english). Sad thing is, people are so Disney brainwashed, they all harp on it and claim it as a "Frozen rip-off", when in reality it is it's own story. The climax of the movie is most certainly the best part of it as you suddenly become aware of the powerful music and visuals.
Can't say I'd heard of that one, but it's good that you enjoyed it, and nice if it was closer to the original story! I really wouldn't call Frozen based off of The Snow Queen to be honest; about the only thing they have in common is the idea of a snow queen, and that idea is also present in Candyland There was an anime based on The Snow Queen that was actually very good... I never finished it because I had trouble finding access, but I really enjoyed what I saw of it and always meant to eventually watch it to the end... just what I saw of it made me want to list it with some of my favorite shows.
Beautiful work. I'm afraid I'm a bit over Frozen at the moment; a bit overloaded by it really. But I still appreciate lovely art, and I like how your drawing captures those cool snow patterns that they had in the film.
Thank you! I don't blame you for being overloaded, haha, I think I drew this partly to try to make sense to myself of its popularity. I'm probably late to the party with this though... I hadn't actually meant to draw more Frozen fanart, but apparently there were things in the film I wanted to try to capture.
And I'm glad the snow patterns look like the ones they had, thank you for mentioning it! I really liked those stylized curls of snow that appeared over the end credits and in the concept art and it was fun trying to recreate them.
I really enjoyed it. I especially liked Elsa~<3 She's a really good and different Disney Princess than the usual. Like, her part of the story was all about her own struggle and her love with her sister - no "prince charming, save me, I'm a damsel in distress" type of thing. Anna on the other hand... lol she definitely has issues with the whole "love at first sight" thing, buuuut at the same time, at least it makes more sense than most Disney movies. You know, since she was in the castle, essentially alone her whole life, I guess it would be pretty easy to "fall in love" at the first sign of affection shown towards you? I don't know. I felt like the movie didn't really need the romance aspect, but they went about it in an interesting way at least. It's not very often you get the "first love is actually the bad guy" sort of thing in Disney, but then she ended up "with" (sort of... they kissed, that's all) Kristoff. I really liked Kristoff. He was pretty awesome in my opinion. My mom watched it with me and she was hoping that Hans would have been good and ended up with Anna, and that Elsa and Kristoff would have ended up together since she's the ice queen and his life has literally revolved around ice. I mean, obviously while we were watching it, that thought never really crossed the mind, since Kristoff and Elsa had like... no scenes together, but if they had that could have been kind of cute.
I'm glad you liked it! Elsa is my favorite as well. And yeah, I thought it was very understandable for Anna to be naive about falling in love given her personality and upbringing, since she'd longed all her life to have someone to interact with. But she was determined and loyal and genuinely wanted to give her love and support to others, which kept her from looking like she was concerned with romance for shallow, self-gratifying reasons. I liked her character a lot too.
I thought the movie didn't need the romance aspect either. The Hans arc was all right for the sake of Anna's character development, I suppose, though I thought the villain reveal was heavy-handed (what with dramatically not kissing her and going into a whole monologue about his scheme). But I wished the focus had been more on Anna and Elsa's relationship.
Haha I've heard that idea before, it is rather amusingly fitting xD as is Jack Frost/Elsa for the same reason. I prefer not to ship Elsa with anyone, but it does seem all too easy to match her up with others who have an affinity for ice
Yes, exactly! Anna was like, a real exception to the general act of a princess in a Disney movie... they usually just love a guy they just meet and be like "I want him" where as Anna was far more interested in giving love to others, rather than obsessing over receiving it. She was a great character.
Oh, I totally agree; the Hans arc was great for her character development, but man, the way they did the huge reveal was like, abrupt and kind of random. And yes. Very dramatic. Yeah~
lol I know right? It does fit. Oh god, that pairing of Jack Frost and Elsa is both fitting and ridiculous. I mean jeez, if Elsa x Kristoff is bad (for having no scenes together really ) then her and Jack Frost? They aren't even in the same movie.
I like to think of Frozen as this cardboard cake that looks gorgeous- has beautifully sculpted flowers and roses and wonderful icing that tastes amazing- but the actual substance of the cake was cardboard, flat and tasteless. And yet I see all these people talking about how AMAZING the cake was- how it was light and fluffy and tasted like clouds and I think Did we eat the same cake?
I desperately wanted to like Frozen, too, because it has elements that I love and that I think are amazing to pass on to kids, but it feels like for every one thing it did right, it did a dozen wrong. And it's easier to explain to my kids on my own time the things Frozen did right without having them watch it and then go over everything that the movie did wrong. And that sucks because how do you tell kids they CAN'T see a Disney movie?
That last sentence is exactly how I felt about it. When I see people comparing it to Disney classics, I sit there thinking, "Did we watch the same movie?" And I know that if I say anything, the fans will think the same thing about me, so I usually keep quiet. I mean, I'm really glad the film makes so many people so happy... a lot of people I respect really like it; I just wish I could see the same things they did. And the frustrating thing is that I can see the potential the movie had to be great, and I can appreciate fanwork that captures this potential, and I really like what it was going for... it's just the actual execution that fell completely flat for me.
Ugh, that does sound like a really frustrating situation. I think if it were me I'd probably want to let them see it anyway and discuss their reactions, because figuring out how you feel about an imperfectly expressed set of ideas can be just as educational as seeing them portrayed well, but that does tend to work better if the kids are older. Watching it, I was mostly cringing at the things that went wrong, and everything that was right seemed like it was buried under layers of filler and I had to work to interpret it in a way that I liked, but the basic ideas and messages were really great... I'm just sad for what the movie could have been.
I've found that I feel the same way about Frozen as I do about Mulan 2. Without getting too deep into it, I really like the story Mulan 2 was trying to tell, but I feel like they could have told it better with a different setting or if more thought had gone into the execution of the story. Definitely the latter for Frozen.
It's really depressing because Disney has always told really great stories for kids- Lilo and Stitch, Mulan, Cinderella 2, Little Mermaid, etc- but I can't count Frozen among them because of all the problematic stuff they added.
I kinda agree. I just didn't feel like a disney story, didn't have that clear defined seed of a moral or such. I bit too much singing too. I mean I know disney movies have singing, but I don't know. I liked the concepts they had for the movie but they used them in ways I didn't like.
As for the artwork, awesome! I do really like that part in the movie too.
I love musicals and I love Disney movies with singing, but I didn't like the songs in this movie, except for Let It Go. I wish I liked them because (like everything else in the movie /sigh) I thought they had a lot of potential when they started, but after a few lines I'd feel the music was falling flat (and a lot of the lyrics make me cringe; I might have liked For the First Time in Forever if not for lines like "Don't know if I'm elated or gassy" and "I wanna stuff some chocolate in my face"). I can only conclude that this is completely due to personal taste because I know plenty of people who loved the songs. And yeah, I'm in the same position of liking the concepts of the movie but not the execution, which is pretty frustrating.
And, thank you! It is my favorite part in the movie; all my issues aside, I do find that sequence really enjoyable to watch artistically and for the sake of Elsa's character, and have heard Let It Go more often than I care to admit haha.